Saturday, March 18, 2006

Patrick, the Saint

So I realize that I might get branded heretic for this, but what else is new?

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We were having a discussion last night about the 4-leaf clover and the 3-leaf clover. As we'd heard, St. Patrick found the 3-leaf clover to be a great illustration for the trinity...that is, a good way to explain that God was Father-Son-Spirit. He used it in explaining the triune nature of God.

We wondered out loud what the 4-leaf would mean then? Perhaps he would include himself?

And it got me thinking about how so much theology is based around how people are really just pawns...and really heaven is the reality and not here-and-now. And I disagree with so much of that. It just doesn't seem to be much of what Jesus spoke about...with the Kingdom being at hand and his mission being so dependent on the disciples who bore his name.

So perhaps a 4-leaf clover is a better understanding of how God works in this world...that it's Father-Son-Spirit-Creation...all in harmony...connected...inter-reliant.

Or am I just a heretic with some wishful thinking? Or am I just articulating someone else's thoughts?

3 comments:

Kirsty said...

"So perhaps a 4-leaf clover is a better understanding of how God works in this world...that it's Father-Son-Spirit-Creation...all in harmony...connected...inter-reliant"

Sweet, I like your thinking, never thought of it that way:)

Hope you had a good St Paddys day!

Peace
Kirsty

Matt said...

I actually went to a talk about St Patrick on Friday; did you know he actually never used a Shamrock at all? That story apparently never came around until hundreds of years after his death - it's like everything.. a feather could float past a store, but by the time it reaches the end of the road, it's a turkey!

Anyway, he was still an absolutely amazing guy - he carried his own cross and was a real guy, with real thoughts and real feelings. There are a few of his writings around; check them up in your local library - pretty amazing stuff.

Great insight on the shamrock/clover though!


Matt

Andrew Greenhalgh said...

Ryan, I realize I'm a bit late on this one but it's interesting that you came to that conclusion. I finally got a hold of Brian M.'s new book, "The Secret Message of Jesus", and in the last chapter that I read he just articulated just about the same thing. Sounds like you're on a good wavelength to me! Hope all is well!