Thursday, January 27, 2005

I do not even know how to feel...

Wow. A guy tries to commit suicide by parking on train tracks. Then he chooses to live. The the trains derail, and it kills 11 (or more?) people.

I feel such anger against this man. I am furious that someone would be so stupid and selfish.

They are talking about the death penalty, and though it would appease my taste for justice (or revenge at least), I cannot support it. But I'm not completely sure why. I mean, I am opposed to capital punishment; I feel like it is not allowing God to finish this man's story... it sends redemption right out the window. But perhaps that is too loose. This man has sinned against society and his neighbor. Shouldn't he pay? Can our prison systems really reform him?

I dunno. Sometimes being a social liberal or social conservative doesn't fit me right.

Innocent people dead because one man's plan failed. I wish that didn't sound so familiar.

2 comments:

ordinary_nobody_dreamer said...

Ryan,

Greetings! It has been a while. Wow, I do not even know where to start so here goes. Ryan, I am disappointed in you, and cannot believe that you would use the death of 11 people from this tragic train derailment as an opportunity to take a cheap shot at the President of the United States. Seriously Ryan this is a horrible analogy. I am still mystified by your seething rage, hatred and disdain for George W. Bush. Nonetheless, for the sake of the debate, let us go with your premise that like the man above who parked his vehicle on the railroad crossing to commit suicide only to recant and leave the vehicle unattended causing a train derailment that killed 11 people, Bush’s plan failed.

It appears to me that after hearing and seeing many of the President’s speeches, he believes that freedom is a natural yearning of the human spirit. After September 11, 2001, the President realized that our country had been under attack for over a decade and that we could no longer afford not to act. The United States had to combat these terrorists and thug dictators. And we could not combat the enemy by trying to guard and defend every port, every vessel, sea container, airport, airplane, and subway system. The United States had to pursue the terrorists and thug dictators. Now, the United States cannot hunt down and kill each and every one of these terrorists. So, the President knew that we needed to destroy the breeding grounds of hatred that exists in various parts of the world that produces anti-Americanism.

The plan is to introduce government that is chosen by the people who live in that region and over the long-term, the people will no longer stand for dictators and thug regimes. This is the first step towards wiping out circumstances that breed hatred and terrorism. It is taking root in Afghanistan and I am optimistic it will take root in Iraq after the Iraqi election.

I guess I just do not understand where you are coming from. It seems to me that you have a negative view of our country, a negative view of our country’s role in the world, and a negative view on the opportunities that this country provides to others.

I know from your previous posts that you appreciate the Indian culture and eastern philosophy, so here is an editorial from a columnist in that region of the world that you might find very interesting.

http://independentbangladesh.com/news/dec/22/22122004ed.htm#A5

“I can live with Bush as US president - or as the world's sole policeman - for eight years or longer, but would hate to spend even eight days under the Taliban's theocracy, Saddam's dictatorship. I have a strong feeling that the vast majority of people everywhere feel the same way.”

Ryan, I think a social liberal fits you perfectly. My good friend “in the military” tried to tell me that I was wasting my time, but I refuse to give up hope. Later my brother.

In Him,
Ordinary_Nobody_Dreamer

Jesse said...

gotta say, its a little creepy when someone says, "ryan, i'm a little disappointed in you"...i consider myself to be a good friend with ryan, and i don't think i'd ever say that to him...i'll just leave that phrase to his mom and dad, but hey that's just me...

and i think the point to see here is that many people can fit into the phrase:
"Innocent people dead because one man's plan failed."

i don't think it makes a synonymous analogy at all between bush and this guy.

lets think of some more examples...david koresh/janet reno...two different plans for the same situation, both equally responsible for the failed plans...and both would be seen as opposing...some others? maybe...can't think of any more just now, kinda happy i came up with two, to be honest...

"The plan is to introduce government that is chosen by the people who live in that region and over the long-term, the people will no longer stand for dictators and thug regimes."...gotta say "introduce government" and "chosen by the people" are mutally exclusive...if the people want to choose a government, then they should choose how they do it...i think what is happening in Iraq with the elections is great, but the ends do not justify the means...i think that we're just brushing away the fact that the war was not justified by finding the link with al-Queda or WMDs by celebrating the elections blindly...

hows this for an analogy: what if France didn't just help us win the Revolutionary War...what if they started it for us...do you think we'd be where we are today?...interesting...i won't even try to think i could answer that...

finally, as a Christian, i think i've given up on the belief that i'm responsible for changing anyone's life...God's the only one who can, and i can be an instrument...so to say, "i refuse to give up hope" is to assume that if you "fail" with ryan then he is doomed (which i'll just say i think he's in no danger)...i'm glad that none of our lives are left to the success of other people...

i can't believe i just spent all this time soapboxing on someone else's blog...am i a blog hog?...boss hog?...roscoe p. coltraine?...